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How strong is base Gotenks (pre rosat)?
Topic Started: Jul 27 2013, 09:07 PM (1,724 Views)
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How powerful is this guy? It's always been a little bit of an assumption whenever I see power chains with base Gotenks (pre) At the very least, base Gotenks is on par with SSjin 2 Teen Gohan, but otherwise, I'm not sure.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Stronger than SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta but still weaker than Fat Boo, running closer to the latter for sure.

I'd see it as Fat Boo>~SSj2 Zeta Gohan>Base Gotenks>>>SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta

Goku and Vegeta were seen as absolute crap to Fat Boo. Besides Piccolo was a savvy enough to understand, people at least treated Gotenks as if he was something special. And note that Piccolo never denies Gotenk's power either, he just knows he's still not enough to take on Fat Boo.
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I think he should be around Good Buu/ LSSJ Broly (M10).
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above the SSJ2's but below SSJ2 Post zeta Gohan.
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Below Fat Buu is the only thing we know for 100% certainty. Anything more than that would purely rely on your SSj/2/3 multipliers and gap between SSj Gotenks and SSj3 Goku.
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Jul 27 2013, 09:50 PM
Below Fat Buu is the only thing we know for 100% certainty. Anything more than that would purely rely on your SSj/2/3 multipliers and gap between SSj Gotenks and SSj3 Goku.
If you use separate multipliers for fusion, then these multipliers shouldn't matter. I usually just mould my numbers around the plot when referring to fusion.
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Jul 27 2013, 09:50 PM
Below Fat Buu is the only thing we know for 100% certainty. Anything more than that would purely rely on your SSj/2/3 multipliers and gap between SSj Gotenks and SSj3 Goku.
This is what I'm thinking too. There's nothing conclusive about Gotenks's power before the roast (at least in base).
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Do you think he could defeat Good Boo or Grey Boo? I don't actually think he'd win against either, but that's just me.
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That's just the thing. We don't really know. What we know is that Good Boo is more powerful than the SSjin 2 adults as the Kid Boo sequence demonstrates. We also know that Grey Boo is far stronger than Good Boo as there fight demonstrated. I'm not sure how much weight Piccolo's statement holds, because he's not comparing Gotenks to anything. He's just saying that he is strong.
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His Base to SSJ Pre Rosat should be above SSJ3 Goku's power but not sure how far away.

If he is in Base above SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta than he surpasses SSJ3 Goku by wide gap in his SSJ form, but its hard to put him above them just because of SSJ boost...
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I don't really keep him anywhere specific, just between the SSJ2s and Fat Buu somewhere.
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There's probably reason enough to have him above the Super Saiyan 2s as he's regarded as more than Majin Vegeta by everyone except Piccolo, though it's nothing solid and I think it's fine to just have him wherever he ends up in your PL list.
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Jul 28 2013, 12:17 AM
There's probably reason enough to have him above the Super Saiyan 2s as he's regarded as more than Majin Vegeta by everyone except Piccolo, though it's nothing solid and I think it's fine to just have him wherever he ends up in your PL list.
Even below Raditz? :o_O: :w00t:
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Well piccolo didnt.want him to fight fat buu at all
And he only came back alive because literally for plot and nothing more
So saying hes stronger then ssj 2 goku and vegetas fine but saying hes weaker is fine too
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"I am the bone of my sword."

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Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.1
Context: after Gotenks is formed successfully for the first time
Kame-sennin: “Wh-what a storm of ki…! They did it! It’s a success!”

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P11.4-5
Context: after Piccolo says to try Fusion again, as Super Saiyans
Gotenks: “Hehhehheh…Aren’t you underestimating me? Like this, I’m more than enough to defeat Majin Boo.”
Piccolo: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! You don’t know anything about Majin Boo’s fearsomeness! No matter how incredible you may be, at that level there’s still absolutely no way you’d be able to win!”

Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P12.5
Context: After Gotenks takes off, saying he'll beat Boo
Kuririn: “He-he’s pretty haughty, but just maybe he re-really will be able to take care of [Boo]…”
Yamcha: “Ye-yeah…He sure seemed pretty confident…”


As you can see, nobody denies Gotenks' power and some people actually think he can win. Plus little reason to try to attack Boo if you're not stronger than one of your own fathers, though Ill give in to Gotenk's high ability to overestimate himself. it does go to show that people had confidence in him in some way, people who had seen someone like Vegeta fight the likes of Boo.

To me, it's similar to SSj2 Kid Gohan vs FP Perfect Cell. Cell had increased his power vastly when he powered up and people noticed, and yet it was still nothing compared to Gohan. Same thing here I'd say, Gotenks is significantly above SSj2 Goku and Vegeta but still pales in coparison to Boo.

We can also say he's weaker than SSj2 Zeta Gohan, though by how much is debatable.


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Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4
Context: when the Z Sword breaks, after Gohan trained with it for a day
Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.”
Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!”
Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…”


With Gohan at least implied to be coming up to Majin Boo and Boo subsequently kicking the crap out of Gotenks, I'd probably say there's a significant gap also between Gohan and base Gotenks.

Lastly, it's stated that even if Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and everyone else joined together, they would stand no chance against Majin Boo.

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Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P5.3-4
Goku: “…I’ll be frank. It’s no use. I can’t defeat [Majin Boo]. [ ] …There was practically no gap between Vegeta’s true strength and mine…And Majin Boo is still fine despite Vegeta sacrificing himself, right? Sorry, but I couldn’t win, no matter what.”


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Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P5.6-7
Goku: “Damn it! If either Vegeta or Gohan were alive, maybe we could have managed something…”
Piccolo: “…No, it probably wouldn’t matter how many people went at him…He wasn’t at that level…”


As I said, people at least gave Gotenks some measure of confidence in beating Boo, and that's more than can be said for Goku and Vegeta.
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